On September 23rd, 2022, Shaykh Hamza Yusuf, President of Zaytuna College and Michael Sugich, author of Signs on the Horizons and Hearts Turn and series editor of the newly published Exemplars for Our Time book series, met before an audience at the Zaytuna College auditorium in Berkeley, California. Shaykh Hamza, who had written the biography of his teacher Shaykh Murabit al-Hajj for the series, introduced Michael Sugich, who introduced the book series. The two men have been friends for over forty-five years and for the next ninety minutes traded stories of their encounters with the sages of Islam.